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Part I. The Waves Arisen by Mere Curiosity
A cackling laugh echoed through the trees. Naruto sat bolt-upright, suddenly aware that this had all been an enormous mistake.
“I almost can’t believe you were stupid enough to do it,” said the disembodied voice of Mizuki, his academy instructor.
Naruto clambered to his feet, the huge scroll safe under one arm.
Mizuki lazed languidly on a branch of the tree above him, one leg hanging down over the side.
He leaped down with the graceful poise of a trained chuunin—a fully qualified ninja warrior of Leaf village, possessing skills infinitely beyond those of a mere academy student—a mere child; Naruto wasn’t yet even genin rank.
“Though I’ll admit,” he continued, “I am surprised that even Leaf’s ANBU could fail to notice a boy strolling out the door with a twenty pound scroll of restricted techniques under his arm.”
He’d been watching, then, even that far back. Naruto had already figured out that Mizuki intended to betray the village, but now he couldn’t even hope to bluff about managing to catch him.
Naruto felt his death approach with every step forward his instructor took. No chance to fight, none to flee… submission would get him killed just as surely. He was a loose end now, and probably the only one with any knowledge of Mizuki’s coming desertion from the village—what could keep this situation from progressing? Even for just a second, just to grant him some time to think? What did he have that he could use? Any tools—tricks? A threat?
Naruto pressed the blade of his kunai against the surface of the scroll.
Mizuki’s eyebrows creased. “You, uh… you know that it’s just paper and ink, right? You can’t… kill it.”
Naruto swallowed. It had taken him half the day to work up the courage to go ahead with this stupid, stupid plan. It had all seemed so sensible from the safety of his little room. A trap for his traitorous instructor—one that might win Naruto both the renown necessary for some lenience on his graduation test, and an irreplaceable opportunity to copy out a scroll of restricted techniques that might otherwise not have come within reach for years.
He’d felt so smug with stupid satisfaction—walking out of his biannual audience with the Hokage, carrying the scroll so confidently under his arm, like it was the most natural thing in the world. It might be hours before they found the note he’d left behind describing Mizuki’s intention to meet with him at midnight and defect from Leaf with the stolen scroll. He’d thought he was being safe.
He had fudged the truth a little, in his note. He’d only said that he suspected something like that might be what was going on, but then he’d written that he was going to “do the honorable thing” by trusting his teacher’s word—trusting the obvious lie that this was actually a special second-chance at the graduation test.
That note was only ever meant to be a backup plan—proof of his own innocence in case some ANBU ninja had stopped him on the way out. What thief would have left behind a signed confession? He’d only hoped to get away for a few minutes to make a quick copy of the scroll for personal use before he returned to let the authorities know about what was really going on. Somehow he’d planned it all out without even thinking once that Mizuki might also be lying about waiting until midnight to make his exit.
“This scroll’s a gift for your new employer, right?” Naruto said. His voice was unsteady. “Don’t you think you might look a bit less impressive to them if it’s damaged? I could damage it a lot before you kill me.”
“…That’s a real stretch, kid,” Mizuki said, an amused smile on his lips. “I am glad you’ve finally realized that smart boys shouldn’t steal from their villages, but as your teacher I must say I’m disappointed with your response. What’s your endgame, here? Do you really think I would rather leave with no scroll at all than with a damaged one? Or were you hoping to trade the scroll for your own safety? I’ve got no reason to leave you alive once I take it, you know.”
Naruto swallowed. If Mizuki had cared at all about the scroll he wouldn’t have admitted so brazenly his intent to betray any deal that might have been struck. It was still a minor error, on his part—maybe he was still hesitant to kill a long-time student. A more competent ninja would have been miles away by now, with nothing but a corpse left in his wake, but he was still a Chuunin—he could afford imperfection. Naruto would die anyway.
“Leaf would be more lenient on you if nobody was killed during your escape,” Naruto said. “That’s one reason not to do it, in case you’re recaptured. Another reason is that you don’t really need to kill me. I don’t know anything that won’t soon be public knowledge anyway, once they see that you’re gone. Attacking me carries at least a small risk—I know I’m not much of a threat, but you’re the one who taught us that all battles are dangerous. There are recorded cases of chuunin being defeated by genin.”
“You’re not even a genin, yet,” Mizuki said, amused. “You wouldn’t have graduated tomorrow even if you hadn’t got yourself into this little pickle. If not for me, you might have spent the rest of your life as an academy student—I’ve never even seen a ninja fail the elementary transformation technique before. I didn’t think it was actually possible.”
That damn transformation test was the only reason he was here in the first place. Naruto knew he had been doing the hand-seals right—he’d studied every step of the process a hundred times more than necessary, and it wasn’t even supposed to be a real test—it was a formality, something flashy to mark their new qualifications after passing the written exam, which he’d finished with a perfect score. Nobody was meant to actually fail the transformation—not least a diligent student like him.
“I do have ninja blood, though. You know that—you’ve seen me mold chakra like the other students,” Naruto said. “I didn’t do anything wrong on the hand-seal test, either. I don’t know why I couldn’t cast the transformation—I don’t know what happened, but it doesn’t mean I’m necessarily harmless.”
Naruto tapped against the scroll under his arm. “I was sitting here studying this thing for a while before you stopped me, remember, and you know how powerful these restricted techniques can be. Even if there’s only a tiny chance that I can cast it, do you really want to risk your life against something called The Shadow Clone technique?”
Mizuki burst into laughter. Naruto almost chose the moment to attack, but it would have meant his death just as surely as if the battle had begun any other way. He had to find some way to talk his way out of this.
“Kid, you really have no idea, do you? I’ve seen a jounin using that before. All it does is create a second copy of your body, and it’ll vanish again as soon as you so much as scratch it. It’s a spying technique, not a weapon.”
From what little he’d read in the scroll Naruto had already known that, but he had been hoping Mizuki wouldn’t. No doubt a “shadow clone” would have been next to useless in a real fight, and scarcely any better for fleeing with, but he was beginning to think that trying to cast the technique and making a break for it in two directions at once might be his best chance at surviving.
“You’re not actually thinking you could get away from me, are you?” Mizuki asked. “For all the ninja blood you might have, kid, you couldn’t outrun a horse.”
Naruto dropped the scroll, rolling it toward Mizuki with his foot as he brought his hands together in the characteristic shape of the Tiger seal. From the Tiger seal to Boar, from Boar to Monkey—the seal chain was long, but he didn’t have the manual control to forego the unnecessary motion.
Mizuki stopped the scroll with his foot and drew a sharp kunai from his thigh-holster, rolling his eyes. “Have it your way…”
From Monkey to Hare, Hare to Horse, to Ox, to Rat! He willed the chakra with all his strength to manifest in his hands, hoping to make up for whatever his errors had been with the transformation technique, and for the difference in difficulty and cost, and the fact that he would die if it failed. He cried aloud the ancient name of the technique, fitting his thoughts to the necessary pattern.
A great eruption of sound reverberated from the trees as smoke flared up around him. Naruto was momentarily disoriented by the din—only slowly regaining his sense of place, confused by the fact that he now found himself several paces behind Mizuki, and surrounded by a crowd of what seemed to be hundreds of cloned bodies. No, even more than that.
Every version of himself had the same puzzled look on their faces, turning back and forth between themselves, until some quicker-thinking version of Naruto called out desperately to the rest of them. “Quickly! Get him!”
Mizuki was momentarily taken aback, but as a chuunin he was no stranger to combat. He reacted instantly as the mass of shadow clones turned toward him.
Clouds of smoke and sound flared up as Mizuki cut into the crowd with his kunai, popping a half-dozen of Naruto’s army noisily out of existence, including what should have been the “original” body—the one who had cast the technique in the first place. He’d burst like any other, and Naruto felt all of the thoughts of the dead appearing now inside his brain. He briefly wondered whether “he” was the real real one, in the sense of the one being conscious—having been chosen at random, or something, but he saw some of the others had already had similar thoughts, and more than one of them had recognized the inopportunity of these circumstances for such philosophizing. One clone had even decided to test the idea, and succeeded in dispelling himself with a hard slap across the face.
Heedless now to the risk of death he ran toward Mizuki alongside his brother-clones, swinging wildly for the closest limb. He missed, and received a quick cut through the abdomen in reply—and then he was somewhere else, a mere memory in the mind of another clone, standing a few paces to one side of his instructor. Naruto’s memories from the defeated clones seemed to integrate into every still-living body, becoming a part of the swarm when they died. He told himself again to focus only on killing—there would be time later to think, if he lived.
Mizuki seemed to be abandoning hope of true victory, so thoroughly surrounded—he leaped for a tree to escape, but already there were dozens amongst the horde who had predicted his next move correctly. They tossed their kunai at him as he flew, more than one knifepoint finding its target. Mizuki flinched with pain and missed the rebound, colliding physically with the tree branch. He fell with little grace into the waiting crowd beneath.
They descended on him without mercy, plunging their knives into every inch of exposed flesh, over and over. Before he could even roll off his back they were holding him down, cutting into him a hundred times more thoroughly than necessary, the brutal slaughter continuing until every last one of his clones felt personally safe enough to finally stop—until the continued absence of that horrible bursting sound had finally convinced him a thousand times over that he had survived, and that Mizuki was dead, and that he could afford, for a second, to relax.
For a moment, things were quiet. His crowd of clones sat down to catch their breath. Those closest to the middle stepped back from their gruesome work, trying to find a place to sit where they wouldn’t have to look.
The blood of his instructor pooled beneath the leaves, soaking into the dirt. Hundreds of him—thousands maybe; he could see the faint silhouettes of heads deep into the trees.
“…What now?” asked one of the clones sitting near to him.
The conversation seemed to start everywhere at once, a thousand questions rising to the fore. It was a strange thing to see himself conversing with himself, and not even being personally involved.
Naruto could barely make out a word over the noise of so many people talking. Soon, a few clones had started trying to shout down the others to establish some sense of order, or presuming that they had some question more important to ask. Too many at once had the same idea, and the chaotic babble only grew louder. Naruto caught something about the words “chakra burning” and made the mental connection himself—a sustained technique like this must require at least a small continuous exertion of chakra to maintain, and he was certain he had never heard of any ninja using thousands of clones to win a battle like that. Whatever he’d just done, the thought of death by chakra exhaustion seemed like almost the inevitable result.
“Cancel it!” someone cried.
“How!” shouted another.
One bold clone to cut into his own neck, experimentally, as another pricked his finger with a kunai, each managing the same effect as their thoughts flowed back into the wider pack.
Huge clouds of smoke and noise shortly began to flare up as his clones burst themselves away.
He hesitated—maybe it was the fear of just… vanishing, like all those other bodies, or maybe some sense of curiosity made him want to see what was going on himself, but as the crowd thinned out and began to shrink more slowly he saw too many others with the same idea. They couldn’t all be the last one standing. He smiled at them, deciding against hanging around any longer, now that it suddenly seemed a little bit less clever. He could take some pride at least in vanishing faster than those special snowflakes.
As he raised his kunai to his finger he felt something abruptly fall away inside himself. A jarring feeling, like he’d reached the end of some great spool of thread that he hadn’t known he was unwinding. He saw it in the eyes of the other clones, too—they’d all felt it. The strength seemed to vanish from them. Their limbs went slack, and they fell to the ground, smoke rising as they burst.
There was only an instant to regret his mistake, only a single moment to notice that after all that, his own stupidity had been the greatest danger. He felt his memories coalesce as he witnessed the same thoughts a dozen times over, the same farcical observation as his fading awareness passed into nothing.
The sun was a sharp glare in his eyes when he woke, disturbed by the sound of someone opening the blinds.
He was lying in bed. Indoors—not outside, in the forest. He saw a red seal on the white coat of a person leaving the room.
He was in the hospital.
Naruto tried to sit up. He felt a little weak, but apparently he was still alive. He met the eyes of a small man seated near the end of his bed. The headdress of the Hokage of Leaf village was on his lap.
The Hokage. He’d been waiting for Naruto to wake up.
He’d kept the Hokage waiting.
The Hokage raised his eyebrows. “Ah, Naruto, you are awake.”
He spoke with the tender demeanor of a kind old man—something only possible for a ninja so terrifying that nobody would ever mistake it for real softness. Countersignaling, they called it.
“I am so glad to see you are well.”
“I’m—my note,” Naruto stammered, hoping that it had been found by now and that he wasn’t about to be arrested and tortured to death, or—
“Yes, we saw your note. It is a pity you did not heed your sense of caution. I gather you made only a very narrow escape.”
“I—I think I chakra-exhausted myself. I cast the shadow clone. I made too many. I ran out of chakra.”
“A dramatic feat, no doubt,” the Hokage said. “I am sorry that you had to be the one to dispatch our deserter, but still, it is not every day that an academy student defeats a chuunin, you know… Might I inquire as to precisely how many clones you called forth? And for how long you sustained them, before you fell unconscious?”
“Um, I’m not really sure,” Naruto said, “maybe it was for a minute or two, in total, but there were hundreds of them at least. Maybe thousands.”
“Thousands…” he said, sighing. “I feared as much.”
“Feared?” Naruto asked. “Am I going to die, now? From the chakra exhaustion?”
“Die? Oh no, my boy. No, you’ll be quite alright,” he said. “Chakra exhaustion can be dangerous enough, but only indirectly. It is rarely safe for ninja to fall unconscious in hostile territory, you understand, but you had the good fortune to dispatch your enemy beforehand, so on this occasion, you have survived it.”
“Oh… I see…”
Naruto didn’t know quite what to say next. He’d only ever spoken to the Hokage on a few occasions before—he had the legal right to an occasional audience, being a village orphan with ninja blood. He’d only just made use of that right the night before, to steal the scroll, but typically their meetings were little more than brief reports of his circumstances.
“I’m really sorry,” Naruto said, “I didn’t even think to find out where he was going, when we fought. I forgot to do any information extraction—I failed to retain my composure under the stress. I apologize.”
“You made a grave error indeed, last night, in choosing to break village law, even by the direct instruction of a superior. You almost met your death for that error,” the Hokage replied, “but aside from this mistake I believe you behaved commendably for an academy student in recording your suspicions, and in ultimately emerging victorious. As it happens, we were already aware that he had received an offer from a foreign contact, following a recent mission into the territory of Sound village.”
Naruto had never heard of any village called Sound, but he didn’t think that this was the best time to ask about it.
“I do not intend to punish you for your part in his crime,” the Hokage said, “but… it seems that now we shall have to have a conversation which I had hoped to delay a little longer. I had thought this matter could wait until you were yourself a chuunin, or at least until after your graduation from the academy, but I see now that I was in error.”
Naruto looked at him, uncertain. “What conversation, sir?”
The Third Hokage of Leaf sighed, looking out the window as if wondering where to begin.
“Tell me, Uzumaki Naruto… how much do you know of that ancient art we ninja call… game theory?”
42 thoughts on “The Waves Arisen – Chapter 1”
I apologize once more, but I’d like to continue this rant that I started elsewhere (https://forum-sceptique.com/viewtopic.php?t=16678) because I have additional information to share that could unintentionally reinforce Judeophobia. The elders in my local Jewish community frequently misrepresent anti-Semitic tragedies, oversimplifying them until they resemble bits of ethnocentric tragedy porn and erroneously concluding that no one else truly matters because no one else has faced such prejudice throughout history. It sickens me to observe how ignorant and even stereotypical these sheltered adults act on a regular basis, pretending they understand morality just because they’ve casually consumed stories loosely inspired by tragic events that they hadn’t experienced themselves. I want to help prove that Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews living in the West don’t hold some kind of monopoly over knowing pain and suffering, especially because of their status as a “middleman minority” or even a “model minority” of sorts. In my opinion, the real tragedy lies in how my neighbors use tales of their ancestors and muses as an excuse to be haughty over others, to the point that they secretly display bigotry toward gentile minorities, assuming intersectionality doesn’t come into play, while pretending that gleaning this knowledge of only one form of discrimination has imbued them with a sense of humility. So, without further ado, for the sake of freedom of speech, here are some more terms that could leave fundamentalists of the Jewish diaspora uncomfortable:
Holocausts: Aboriginal Holocaust, Armenian/Smyrna Holocaust, Asian Holocaust, Bosnian Holocaust, Canadian Holocaust, Hargeisa holocaust, Holocausto silencioso, Irish Holocaust, Native American Indian Holocaust, Rwandan Holocaust
Pogroms: 1900 Amur anti-Chinese pogroms, 1951 anti-Chechen pogrom in Eastern Kazakhstan, 1966 anti-Igbo pogrom, 1969 Northern Ireland Anti-Catholic pogroms, 1984 anti-Sikh pogroms, 1989 Bangladesh pogroms, 2002 Gujarat pogrom, 2016 Minya pogrom, anti-Armenian pogroms, anti-Greek pogrom of 1937, anti-Serb pogrom in Sarajevo, anti-Tamil pogroms in Sri Lanka, Çorum pogrom, Delhi pogrom 2020, The East St. Louis Pogrom, Gugark pogrom, Krnjeuša pogrom, Mława pogrom, Pogrom in Kosovo, Slocum pogrom, Tulsa pogrom
Edeljude, honorary Aryan, Judenrat, kapo (Those are all various labels for the relatively few Jews that collaborated with Hitler. You read that correctly.)
Eliezer Waldenberg, Immanuel Jakobovits (Abortion is frequently associated with the all-American counterculture of the 1960s, right alongside amnesty for military draft evaders and legalization of non-medical marijuana. Many people in the Western world act like only the Religious Right would condemn this practice, unless they somehow developed technology to predict who would grow up to be Muslims (even if they’re pro-Iife themselves), secular, queer, abortion clinic doctors or anyone else that might disagree with right-wing Bible-thumpers, but basic research shows that this isn’t the case. Not only are there some natalists that aren’t strictly conservative, like members of the LGBT rights group PLAGAL, but there have been plenty of irreligious people that weren’t pro-choice, like the comedy writer duo Trey Parker & Matt Stone, the influential New Atheism popularizer Christopher Hitchens, Romanian communist dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu and members of the Secular Pro-Life organization. What’s more, a valid argument among some progressives is that abortion practices are ableist since pregnant women frequently seek abortion when they’re told that they might give birth to one or more children with unpopular physical or mental conditions. However, looking through Wikipedia reveals that even the most devout Jews, like the ones I mentioned earlier, tolerate abortion under certain circumstances, like when it’s during the first trimester or when it endangers the mother’s life. I wouldn’t complain about this issue if I was from a family that aimed for a consistent life ethic, but I’m not, so I thought I’d include these bits of knowledge to further undermine the puritanism that sheltered me for too long.)
German Weapons Act (In 1938, Hitler convinced this organization to lesson gun control restrictions initiated during the Weimar Era, while still preventing the proportionally fewer Ashkenazi Jews and other minorities from legally obtaining their own firearms.)
Helek Tov (This was a benevolent nickname Jews gave Napoleon due to his philo-Semitic policies.)
Isaiah Horowitz, Solomon ibn Gabirol (My research indicates that both of these Jews supposedly created golems to accomplish several tasks, including satisfying their sexuals desires. Since Judeonormativity demands prudeness from everyone, my elders would probably take personal offense at the idea of people creating and exchanging golem erotica.)
Israelite with Egyptian principles (That was a title earned by Judah P. Benjamin, a religiously Jewish lawyer that advocated for slavery during the US Civil War.)
Japanese American concentration camps (The US may be the most powerful nation of immigrants, but a good number of its citizens continue to be haunted by one of the most infamous crimes against humanity committed by an ostensibly anti-Nazi government. Admittedly, other minorities in this country throughout the mid-20th century were stripped of their dignity due to an unfounded fear of ethnic minorities secretly collaborating with the Axis powers, and other Japanese descendants outside of Japan during this time were unfairly persecuted for the same reason, but the plight of Japanese Americans is still one of the most infamous events associated with the Allied Powers. I mentioned this to reinforce how Jews weren’t the only victims during World War Two.)
Jews for Jesus (Critics call them a cult, but Orthodox Jews only hate them out of contempt for anything that they deem too modern, including the idea of praising that Jesus of Nazareth guy.)
Kosher Nostra (It’s a nickname for ethnically Ashkenazi mobsters who might not have been too religious. They’ve mostly operated within the British Commonwealth and the US, and their crimes have been so well-documented that there’s been some Hollywood productions and mainstream comic books from the US inspired by stories of these gangsters.)
Lehi (Back in the day, there were a bunch of scorched-earth Jews in what some once called Palestine who formed their own political party, not only because they hated how the British practically colonized their home country, but also because they got tired of sharing their land with the Arabs that made up the majority of that particular nation. Far from being as noble as the likes of Sir Arthur “Bomber” Harris or William T. Sherman, these Jews had an agenda akin to National Bolshevism; confounding as it may seem, these Third Positionists temporarily befriended both Nazis and Soviets, but only for the sake of taking control of what became the modern state of Israel away from all their local gentile enemies. The party eventually became defunct, but many apologists to Zionism have still praised its members for shaping Israeli history.)
Luis de Torres (While skimming through Wikipedia, I’ve learned that this Jewish convert to Catholicism helped spread the use of tobacco to Europe after accompanying Christopher Columbus on his expedition to the New World. For centuries, Jews have written about the joys of smoking until a verifiable link between tobacco and cancer convinced many Jewish authorities to shun the drug outright. This simply proves that religious Judaism is an evolving process, so its sticklers shouldn’t be too judgmental about scientific paradigm shifts. I hope more people bring up this historical tidbit the next time some Jewish boomers complain about marijuana somehow being more dangerous than kosher alcohol.)
Martin Niemöller (This German pastor wrote the poem “First they came…”, and reading it from the beginning proves that he lamented not condemning the Third Reich when they rounded up and snuffed out actual leftists before taking out their frustration on others that wouldn’t conform to der Führer’s demands.)
Mendele the Book Peddler (You could probably describe this man as the author that did to Yiddish what Shakespeare did to English. Although a tumultuous life of attempting to embrace multiculturalism led him down the road to rejecting it in favor of Jewish nationalism, he started his career highlighting the problems of the religious Jews he had lived with in 19th-century Europe, even going so far as to argue that the local Jewish charities enabled rich rabbis instead of assisting the poor.)
Neturei Karta (As I mentioned previously, there are some Hungarian Jews that are so adamantly against the modern State of Israel existing before they think they’ve found their messiah that they’ve become apologists to Palestine who doubt the severity of the Holocaust.)
Reichszentrale zur Bekämpfung der Homosexualität und der Abtreibung (The Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion is exactly what it says on the tin, retroactively disproving more modern pundits’ claims that Hitler supported LGBT rights and despised natalism.)
Sabbatai Zevi (My teachers in grade school once told my classmates and me about this formerly popular man so that others would continue labeling him as a false messiah. He truly was influential for his time, having become convinced that he would bring about the messianic age, partially because he was born on the 9th of Av, a tragic day in Jewish history that’s been deemed by esoteric Jews to be the birthday of their future eternal king. I’m not sure why it was necessary to remember that he existed in the first place, because in my opinion, his name could serve as good ammo for people who hate how hard-right Jews talk about how important scientific principles will somehow become discarded. Not to repeat myself here, but if science is flawed, how is Judaic fundamentalism any better?)
the Sasanian conquest of Jerusalem (It’s an obscure chapter of Jewish history, in which Jews demolished several churches and massacred thousands of Christian prisoners that they purchased from their Persian allies for not converting to Judaism.)
“yoshke pandre” (That’s a derisive Yiddish nickname for that carpenter who helped kickstart Christianity. While Jews have been oppressed by Christians for centuries, when you consider how both groups have become friendly with another these days, use of this phrase just seems like a sign of a grudge held by Jews who secretly envy how influential Christianity has become, even if such Jews would prefer to label that rival religion as a corruption of their own ancient culture.)
I hope that all this information leaves readers more aware of global culture, even if it also leaves them more traumatized than before. I simply want to expose ultra-religious Jews that treat minority rights activism like a zero-sum game or feel that events like the Renaissance and the Enlightenment were some of history’s biggest mistakes. Their ideology is rooted in Cartesian dualism, making its adherents begrudge dated stereotypes of outsiders just because they’re too naive to see through their own false dichotomies. Their mindset is a plague that presents a twisted worldview that posits that only these ignorant, pompous Jews possess the remedies to all of life’s ills, and that once these religious fundamentalists control every facet of society, life would become too perfect to be improved and could never fall back into decay. Don’t let them make suckers out of you.
P. S.: Much like how I argued that we should let queer marriages and interethnic marriages remain legal, I believe that we need to make militaries stay inclusive for LGBT people and other marginalized groups. While it’s reprehensible for those employed by their government to commit crimes against humanity, too many bad actors around the world need to be put in check for the sake of global stability. Not only could continued negation of exclusionary policies like DADT lead to greater cooperation within the military, but it could also lead to greater tolerance and understanding of minorities outside of military circles.
Wow game theory, no wonder he was putting this off ;)
Hey, if you have the time, would you mind spellchecking my comments?
Have any of you ever spent so much time with fundamentalists that you started thinking characters from the Bible decided to read the Bible itself to figure out what they had to do next? I HATE THE RECURSIVE BIBLE! Also, days were less than 24 hours long in the distant past, “red” was sometimes used in the Bible to describe brown objects, Hitler loved guns, and most Bible-thumpers might secretly be total perverts.
I’ve got a few more things to rant about:
1) Solar storms and meteorites aren’t the only instigators for large-scale disasters we should worry about. Volcanic eruptions are also a serious issue that must be addressed, especially due to the pollution that they can generate. Fortunately, these eruptions aren’t too unpredictable, so we may develop ways to mitigate these crises.
2) More people should know about the true origins of that former part of the British Empire that became its own country in the late 1940s, much to the joy of fairly large diaspora of a historically oppressed minority (but I don’t mean India, even though it might be more important in the grand scheme of things because when it comes to the conflict it has with its Islamic neighbor, both sides have nukes). Between Hitler’s approval of the Haavara Agreement and Stalin’s impact on UN General Assembly Resolution 181 getting adopted, I think more people need to learn about how some of the most influential Zionists worked with truly corrupt politicians to help make the State of Israel a reality.
3) For those of you who’ve been following along with my ramblings, I kid you not when I say that I’m from a very stereotypically religiously Jewish household. My local community in general is so staunch about toeing the line, that if push came to shove, they’d unironically “declare war” on gentile holidays like Christmas, Halloween, Easter and Valentine’s Day, all because they’re so desperate to preserve their traditions that they’d desire the destruction of customs from any rival cultures.
I’m back with an idea for a new game. Let’s name as many tragedies as we can that fundamentalist Ashkenazi Jews would like to suppress (assuming they aren’t like those fringe Hungarian Jews that want to counter militant Zionism with militant anti-Zionism):
I come from a cult where almost no one objects to the idea of the Bible actually being recursive in nature. Some people in my community genuinely think that Biblical figures (like Noah, Abraham, Jacob and Moses) somehow read ahead in the Bible to figure out what they ought to do. Moreover, my elders think that if you read the Bible, you not only help create the Universe retroactively, but you can learn what it feels like to escape from ancient Egyptian enslavement, witness the establishment of The Ten Commandments and wander through the Middle Eastern desert for 40 years (even if you’re less than 40 years old). What’s really horrifying, though, is that they aren’t content with simply finding others who share their batshit beliefs; they want everyone to think the exact same way for all eternity, even if it means letting all other cultures be obliterated, because they think nothing else can lead to world peace. Needless to say, I’ve grown tired of thinking that I “should be grateful” that the whole world is “inherently perfect” and was created “just for people like me” because I was born into the “only right group” and other nonsense like that.
If you want to know more about how insane these people are (or how people in general are insane), go ahead and read my rant in full. I’m sorry if I came across as too long-winded, heavy-handed, pseudo-skeptical or prone to bouncing back and forth between several complicated topics; I’m not exactly a professional writer, and I’m still in a really dark place right now. (By the way, if you want, you can just scroll down to the ends of these pages and see which URLs I included just for the lulz.)
Fuck the Recursive Bible! (Part 1) – https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=atheism&no=242760&_rk=Zxh&page=1
Fuck the Recursive Bible! (Parts 2-3) – https://efpfanfic.net/reviews.php?sid=1419224&key=1
Fuck the Recursive Bible! (Part 1) – https://m.dcinside.com/board/atheism/242760
Fuck the Recursive Bible! (Parts 2-3) – https://fanfiktion.de/r/s/4cb8beb50000203e067007d0/date/0/1
It sounds like you’re going through a pretty serious crisis of faith right now. Asking existential questions is a big part of growing up, and learning the limits of your family’s wisdom is part of that.
That said, they sound both wiser and more self-absorbed than I think you can see right now. Can you ask them to not speak in metaphors for a while? I think it’ll solve more arguments than you expect.
I never said it was just my family that’s like this. A good number of people in my hometown think this way, and I don’t know of anybody else who called them out on their garbage ideology. By the way, just out of curiosity, do YOU believe that the Bible is somehow recursive? If so, why? If not, why not?
I think the Bible is a bunch of historical records, hymns, laws, and prophecies. It’s been translated a number of times, not always accurately.
It nevertheless serves to illustrate certain cultural patterns that tend to recur in human societies, and while “those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it” is perhaps overstating matters a smidge, it *is* much easier to avoid common pitfalls if you study those who’ve gone before.
Have you read the Book of Mormon? I’ve found it clarifies many confusing things in the Bible, such as, for example, whether babies need baptism. (They don’t. Children under the age of eight are innocent, and no one should be baptized without their informed consent.) It’s freely available to all who wish to view it: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/bofm-title?lang=eng
Alright, since this is another site where I vent my frustrations with life to myself, I’m going to add an addendum to what I said earlier at https://fstdt.com/comments?user=RecursiveBible; I’d type everything there, but I forgot my password, and I’m too lazy to make a new account. Anyways, if there really was a global flood almost 6000 years ago, how did Noah’s family take care of all the world’s insects or dinosaurs or those animals that are usually found in places with unique wildlife, like Oceania or South America? Perhaps this might just be more proof that the Bible has incorporated stories that aren’t meant to be taken literally. I’m so sick and tired of people treating this story of sacrifice as a basis for morality, as part of the “true origin” of humanity or as an excuse to ignore struggles not directly related to the Bible. Maybe more people should consider that the actual reason this tome of allegories has remained popular for centuries is because it touches on seemingly universal themes, like death, history, love and tragedy.
I apologize if I come across as too acerbic here. Personally, I believe my parents and teachers have deprived me of a healthy upbringing, regardless of their intentions, and I doubt that I’m alone in that regard. If you want to know why I feel this way, I’ve explained things in greater detail elsewhere: https://www.sceptiques.qc.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16678
This is a really good story.
You misused the concept of countersignalling here. Countersignalling is showing you are better by not showing you are better, It is not having the luxury to act in a way that deviates from your reputation because everyone thinks that deviation is a lie.
Very enjoyable so far! Was able to follow it despite knowing nothing of Naruto.